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hello and welcome to episode number 85

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always I am your host EXO academian

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the year 2017 saw what appeared at the

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time to be a sea change in ufology when

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a key piece published in the New York

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Times made clear that the U.S military

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had footage of aerial vehicles of

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Unknown Origin

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in other words not only were UFOs now

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referred to as UAP a thing something

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goes intimately familiar with the topic

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had long known to be the case but the

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U.S government to some degree or another

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was now publicly acknowledging this fact

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many within ufology assumed this was the

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Turning Point we'd all been waiting for

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the historical event that would send

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this topic fully into hyperdrive and not

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just in remote corners of the internet

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but more importantly within the

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mainstream

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in the end that wasn't what happened the

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article made waves to be sure dragging

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the topic Beyond X-Files land and

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tantalizingly closer to mainstream

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acceptance

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still what many enthusiasts and

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researchers were left wondering was why

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weren't these Revelations enough to

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really bring us past the threshold into

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widespread conventional recognition of

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the validity of this topic

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that question has lingered largely in a

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static status until this past week when

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a new article by the same authors has

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brought to light startling allegations

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that take this topic well beyond the

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matter of strange lights in the sky

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according to an article by Leslie Kane

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and Ralph Blumenthal a Former

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Intelligence official turned

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whistleblower named David grush has

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alleged that elements of the U.S

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military are in possession of intact and

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partially intact craft of non-human

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origin and that is a quote

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because grush has provided this

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information to Congress and the

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intelligence Community Inspector General

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filing a complaint alleging that he

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suffered illegal retaliation for his

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confidential disclosures again a quote

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and because officials have received

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these concerns as quote credible and

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Urgent unquote once again we seem to be

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at the precipice of a word ufologists

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have been Banting about for decades

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disclosure true disclosure not hearsay

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not rumors but true widespread

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acknowledgment by government officials

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and widespread acceptance by the

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populace of the world that not only are

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we not alone in the universe but the

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various beings who represent vast

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sophisticated intelligence are here in

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our very midst and in a collective shock

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to the system perhaps have been all

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along

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as things stand right now this is a

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dynamic situation evolving daily as a

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story makes its way across the media

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landscape inevitably Landing in you in

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the awareness of Untold numbers of the

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general public and on the desks of

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government officials all around the

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world

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but where do things stand really is

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there no turning back at this point have

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we crossed the proverbial Event Horizon

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is the end result while still rolling

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out as we speak already a foregone

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conclusion

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put simply the question is this will

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these remarkable recent events finally

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catapult us into a new era in human

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civilization where we recognize we are

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part of a cosmic neighborhood teeming

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with life forms we've as of yet been

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largely unaware of

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and if so what comes next how will we be

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changed by these Revelations

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these are the very pressing and profound

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questions we'll seek to find some

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clarity around on this the 85th episode

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before we dive into recent events that

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make up today's episode I just want to

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I mentioned on social media recently

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usually point of convergence is not a

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current affairs kind of show but of

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course we are not living in ordinary

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times these are remarkable times to be

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living through and how privileged are we

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to be living through them first off I'd

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like to say that for me this is the

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culmination of something I knew was

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coming to some degree I was aware of a

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behind the scenes plan to move this

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topic forward in a significant way in

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the pelvic sphere and I've been

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referring to that at least partially in

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social media and in podcasts over the

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last few months so this marks a point

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where that really has come to fruition

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although again we still have a long way

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to go and we'll get into that

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but again the key Focus here is that the

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plan was to move this topic forward in a

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way that was ultimately Unstoppable and

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irreversible and so people behind the

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scenes have been working together even

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internationally to set up a situation

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where that would be the case where we

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could again as I said in the

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introduction catapult this subject into

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the mainstream in such a way that it

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really catches on and begins to be

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grappled with in a serious way by our

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civilization

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now regarding these recent Revelations

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really the first shoe to drop was

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Christopher melon's article in Politico

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about a week ago saying that if you have

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crash retrievals U.S government now is

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the time to come clean about it that's

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of course a paraphrase

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following that up was a remarkable

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article that was published on Monday

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this was Leslie and Ralph's article

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Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal

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outlining David grush's claims this was

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published in the debrief

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now I'll get into the fact that this

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article actually went through different

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up by the debrief we'll get to how that

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happened and what was behind that

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the title of this groundbreaking article

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is intelligence officials say U.S has

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retrieved craft of non-human origin

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that's key they're not saying this might

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be non-prosaic they're saying has

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retrieved craft of non-human origin so

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that's a very specific claim and that's

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key to what's going on here for so long

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over the last few years we've been

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dealing with naysayers who say this

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could just be next Generation Tech from

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China or Russia or what have you one

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thing this article makes clear based on

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what grush has been privy to is that a

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scientific objective analysis on the

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inside has determined that these craft

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are non-human in origin and fully

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non-prosaic

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I want to read from the article now

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quote a Former Intelligence official

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turned whistleblower has given Congress

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and the intelligence Community Inspector

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General extensive classified information

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about deeply covert programs that he

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says possess retrieved intact and

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partially intact craft of non-human

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origin

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the information he says has been

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illegally withheld from Congress and he

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filed a complaint alleging that he

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suffered illegal retaliation of his

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confidential disclosures reported here

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other intelligence officials both active

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and retired with knowledge of these

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programs through their work in various

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agencies have independently provided

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similar corroborating information both

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on and off the Record The Whistleblower

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David Charles grush 36 a decorated

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former combat officer in Afghanistan is

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a veteran of the National geospatial

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Intelligence Agency NGA and the national

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reconnaissance office nro he served as

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the reconnaissance office's

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representative to the unidentified

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aerial phenomena task force from 2019 to

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the nga's co-lead for UAP analysis and

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unquote and I just want to quote a

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grush said the recoveries of partial

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fragments through and up to intact

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vehicles have been made for decades

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through the present day by the

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government its allies and defense

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contractors analysis has determined that

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the objects retrieved are of exotic

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origin non-human intelligence whether

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extraterrestrial or Unknown Origin based

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materials science Testing and the

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possession of unique Atomic arrangements

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in following his complaint grush is

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represented by a lawyer who served as

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Inspector General icig

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we are not talking about prosaic origins

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or identities Rush said referencing

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information he provided Congress and the

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current icig the material includes

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intact and partially intact Vehicles

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now again I just want to point out here

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how groundbreaking this is what is being

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claimed here these allegations are

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startling

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because not just is he pointing to there

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being crap that seem to be sophisticated

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but he speaks to the specific analysis

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done on these craft and again quoting

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this one section quote analysis has

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determined that the objects retrieved

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are of exotic origin

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non-human intelligence whether

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extraterrestrial or Unknown Origin

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leaves that open that's very important

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there and then again quote based on a

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vehicle morphologies and material

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science Testing and the possession of

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unique Atomic arrangements and

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radiological signatures he said unquote

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so again we're talking about Atomic kind

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of analysis of the material of the

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metamaterial of these recovered craft

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and they clearly point to this not being

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of human design period

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they're not going to say something as

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specific as that unless that really was

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determined so this is groundbreaking in

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itself it takes us Beyond conjecture

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about this perhaps being Next Generation

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technology by China and Russia and I've

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noticed that already that in some of the

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discussion you're seeing online and in

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media in our culture at large you're

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seeing less and less of that could this

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be China could this be Russia which is

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what we've heard many many times in

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talking about the videos that came out

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in 2017 and whatnot and other exotic

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objects that are observed in the sky

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because we're speaking here to a very

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specific and long-running reverse

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engineering program of craft of exotic

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origin we can speaks more specifically

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now to what these actually are what they

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really consist of and what this points

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to and those details specifically are

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what is so groundbreaking about this

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article

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now in a moment I want to do a

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step-by-step re-representation of the

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timeline we've been in since this

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article came out how have things moved

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forward in our Collective culture we'll

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get to that but first I want to just

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point out a couple additional things

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here

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one Leslie Kane in discussions and

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interviews since the article came out

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when confronted by Skeptics who argue

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there's no way a program of this size

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could be kept secret so well for so long

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Kane points out that the security cost

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for this program was more expensive than

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the program itself

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let's make that clear again the cost for

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security alone was more expensive than

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the actual money that went into funding

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the program itself the research the

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re-engineering program itself that says

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something to how top secret this was

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Above Top Secret of almost anything else

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any other program

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we've long heard hints of this but this

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speaks to this directly how carefully

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guarded this was and of course we know

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many nefarious things happened by

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official sources trying to keep this

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secret for so long not just discrediting

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people who had evidence but also

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character assassination sometimes even

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worse even mortal danger for people who

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dared to speak about these things this

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is what is part of the history and as

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Ross coultart has pointed out on recent

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podcasts on need to know with Bryce

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Sabal he believes this points to clear

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criminal behavior in the past criminal

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behavior that should come to light in

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light of further investigations into

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this program because of the revelations

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that gresh has brought forward

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I also want to point out that Rush makes

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the point that we've had a bit of a

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zero-sum game here internationally that

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a new kind of cold war has arisen around

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these materials because let's make this

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clear it's not just the United States

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that's recovered these materials again I

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want to point to that we recovered not

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only crash material debris and whatnot

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but basically fully intact craft as well

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which of course gives you a much better

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chance to try to reverse engineer it we

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are not the only ones that have

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recovered these kinds of vehicles this

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kind of material it's happened around

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the world and continues to happen

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now of course one of the first things

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you'll hear from the naysayers in the

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mainstream is why would spacecraft come

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all the way here from Zeta reticuli or

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something like that only to crash in the

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Earth's atmosphere it sounds ridiculous

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and so they're going to reject that

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they're going to say there's no way

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these could be spacecraft it doesn't add

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up

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those of us intimately familiar with

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this topic know there are some

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peculiarities like that the public is

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now for the first time going to be going

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through the many step process of trying

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to make sense of this peculiar and

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enigmatic topic the same way we within

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ufology have been doing over multiple

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years I'm going to speak more on that

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later on because it says something about

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where we really are in terms of this

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becoming metabolized into our Collective

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civilization and where we go from here

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so again very interesting not only has

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there been recovered Vehicles by the U.S

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but other nations as well and there's

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been this zero-sum game race towards

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being the first to really reverse

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engineer these craft because again

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because they are so sophisticated it

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basically is game over for Every Other

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Nation if you're the first one to arrive

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there because this allows you to have

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basically geospatial and geopolitical

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dominance over the entire world

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and yes absolutely along with you I

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recognize that that is a sad State of

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Affairs although at the same time you

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can also recognize how the U.S military

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and allies would certainly want to get a

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hold of this before terrorist groups and

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things like that that could really use

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this to do real damage to our Collective

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civilization nevertheless it says

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something to the nature of our current

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situation where we still act against

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each other and rather than uniting

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around this great mystery the greatest

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mystery in the history of the world in

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the history of our species instead we're

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still divided we keep these things in

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the dark and we compete against each

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other

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now speaking of what was going on behind

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the scenes as Cain and Blumenthal and

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others work towards bringing gracious

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stories to the surface of course Russ

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cool tart is also interviewing rush and

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that will be available tomorrow the full

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interview on news Nation

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while there was this behind the scenes

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effort to bring this information forward

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one thing became clear and that is that

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the greatest chance this has for Success

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lies in grush's Stellar reputation his

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apparent credibility makes it difficult

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to bury this in vague innuendo and

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standard character assassination

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attempts which is usually the modus

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operandi of the secret Keepers who do

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their best to bury these things almost

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immediately

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now to that point recently Susan go

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spokesperson for the Pentagon came out

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and said that Arrow has found no

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evidence to support these claims being

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made by David grush now of course those

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familiar with the situation recognize

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that this misses the point altogether

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because part of grush's allegations

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include the fact that Arrow does not

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have access to all the information they

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don't have access to key elements of the

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information that would actually allow

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them to do their job so for go to come

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out and say that Arrow has found no

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evidence of these allegations is like a

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bridge to nowhere it's a nonsense kind

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of statement again this points to the

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fact that we need media journalists to

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come forward and ask hard questions to

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not let the topic be dismissed so

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quickly effortlessly almost through

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clearly vague and ultimately misleading

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statements and to that point this last

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week Matt Ford host of the good trouble

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show tweeted yes quote members of the

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press Pentagon spokeswoman Susan go will

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engage in a full-blown disinformation

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campaign to disparage Pentagon

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whistleblower David grush in the coming

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days she will distract you with dopsr

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and arrow and question his credibility

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unquote

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again my good friend Matt trying to give

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the heads up there to the media to

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journalists saying look at what's

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Happening Here open your eyes begin to

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ask hard questions don't take these

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statements at face value especially when

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they're so clearly misleading what you

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do even an Iota a research and again let

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me make this clear here there is an

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understanding amongst those who are

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trying to bring this information forward

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even people on the inside trying to

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bring this information forward this will

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not work if the media if journalists do

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not do their job the secret holders who

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want to get this out and yes those

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people do exist will not be able to

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unless

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the public the American public holds

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feet to the fire as Hussein goes

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demanding further investigation into

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these matters and furthermore we also

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need journalists fueling the public by

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doing their job and uncovering

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additional details and digging digging

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so that further Revelations come to the

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surface this is key if this is to work

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this entire Endeavor trying to move this

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forward and bring about what would be

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considered capital D disclosure

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and as an aside let me just add that not

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only do we need this for disclosure but

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we need it for another d word and that

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is democracy we cannot have a

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sustainable functioning democracy if the

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Press doesn't do its job this is

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essential and the truth is we are in a

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sad State of Affairs in terms of

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journalists really digging in and asking

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hard questions and not simply taking

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officials comments at face value

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now something else I'd like to point out

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here in terms of how this information

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came out it's important to recognize

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that grush was very careful and

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coordinated and strategic in terms of

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bringing this information forward and

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how he did it first of all I want to

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point out that he has a long history

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amongst different agencies in the U.S

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government he understands how the system

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works he was a key player in drafting

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some of the Whistleblower legislation

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that was arrived at last year so again

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think about this he's being exposed to

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these Revelations but also knows that

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this information is highly classified

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you cannot just bring this to the public

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no matter how much you believe it is in

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the Public's best interest it would be

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illegal to do so you would go to jail

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Etc

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but the key here in some detractors have

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seen this as a negative and they

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actually use this to say there's nothing

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here but a key Point here is that he's

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not exposing classified documents he's

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not bringing forward photos videos those

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kinds of things he's talking about what

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he was told by people within the program

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he speaks to the fact that even people

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he knew throughout his career actually

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had knowledge of this and later on began

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to tell him about this because of his

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work with the UAP task force so he's

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bringing this forward in such a way that

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it allows for further digging further

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investigation by Congress and whatnot

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without violating any of his ndas and

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without actually bringing forth

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classified information specifically but

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by doing this it now allows other

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elements of government to do their job

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we would hope and dig further begin to

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craft additional legislation if

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necessary to finally uproot and uncover

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the depth and full extent of these

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secrets

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and by the way I think one thing that

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will be shocking undoubtedly to the

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public is that the nature of those

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Secrets make clear that this is about

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much more than space aliens that in fact

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that might be a bit of a distraction

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from what's really going on and the full

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complexity that this speaks to points to

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actually raising questions about the

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nature of reality itself

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now we'll get to some of that later

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now I want to go through a series of

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tweets that I made through the week as

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the information continued to roll out

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and has just gathered more traction in

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the mainstream

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now one thing we should point out here

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00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:21,360
of course is there's one group of people

561
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,220
that were largely left out of this

562
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,980
conversation and that is experiencers

563
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,080
and this often happens in these kinds of

564
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,240
conversations at the public level anyway

565
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:32,640
we know that arrow is very specifically

566
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:34,860
not including experience for Testimony

567
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:37,500
in their investigations

568
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,740
but we should take the opportunity to

569
00:22:45,409 --> 00:22:42,960
think about what experiencers are saying

570
00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:45,419
how are the people who've been contacted

571
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:47,640
by these various beings thinking about

572
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,980
these matters what kind of messages have

573
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,080
been shared well we know that

574
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:54,240
historically one clear message has been

575
00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:56,820
shared over and over again it speaks to

576
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,340
a coming cataclysm a kind of Apocalypse

577
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:01,440
if you will because of the trajectory

578
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:04,500
our civilization is on I would suggest

579
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,140
you that these things are all connected

580
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:09,720
this is something I tweeted in this past

581
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,659
week after these Revelations came out I

582
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:14,520
said quote in the midst of today's

583
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,460
Monumental disclosure news I'll add one

584
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:19,200
tidbit you perhaps haven't heard

585
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:21,780
elsewhere there has been a distinct

586
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,360
uptick in messages provided by a

587
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,000
contingent of the others a contingent

588
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:29,520
that sees what's coming I would suggest

589
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,760
to you that it's all connected unquote

590
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:35,159
and then someone actually asked after I

591
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:37,260
tweeted that can you share the nature of

592
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,720
the messages to which I replied quote

593
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:41,820
generally speaking the current

594
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,100
trajectory of our civilization is not

595
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,740
sustainable we need a massive change in

596
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,020
course we need to transcend base

597
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:51,419
capitalism and a commodity focused view

598
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:54,780
of the planet biosphere collapse awaits

599
00:24:00,110 --> 00:23:58,080
us which they will inherit if we fail to

600
00:24:01,850 --> 00:24:00,120
change unquote

601
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:01,860
and by the way I'm also aware of

602
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,960
messages to do with the craft that have

603
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:05,940
been recovered and a Potential Threat

604
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,760
they pose when used by US when

605
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:10,860
re-engineered by us when and we don't

606
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,419
fully understand what we're dealing with

607
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,640
I'll get to that a little bit later in

608
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:16,200
the episode

609
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:18,059
but I just want to point out again that

610
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:19,860
we're kind of in a perfect storm in some

611
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,679
ways in the sense that not only are we

612
00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:24,799
receiving messages from these others

613
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,659
speaking to our current trajectory not

614
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,520
being sustainable and that they actually

615
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:31,140
have knowledge of they're not just

616
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,580
guessing they're not just saying things

617
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:34,320
don't look good from the way we see it

618
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,020
like you see it from one point in linear

619
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,179
time they're saying they have awareness

620
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,460
of the future the way that they navigate

621
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:43,980
space-time is different than us much

622
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:45,659
more sophisticated

623
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:48,539
now when we look around at what we see

624
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,340
arising right now we have this perfect

625
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:52,559
storm brewing we have nuclear

626
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:54,120
Arrangements that are happening right

627
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:56,840
now resorting and re-posturing of

628
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:00,419
geopolitical forces we have China Russia

629
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:04,620
the U.S allies all reposturing around

630
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,100
nuclear arms we also know that as Warren

631
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:10,140
Buffett recently pointed out the

632
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,880
challenge with nuclear weapons is once

633
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:13,919
you create them you can't uncreate them

634
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,799
and almost as a certainty as time goes

635
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:18,900
on more and more nation states and even

636
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,299
potentially terrorist groups will get

637
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,460
their hands on nuclear weapons just

638
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:25,980
think about how dangerous that is what

639
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:27,480
we're sitting on right now and how it

640
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:29,220
will only become more dangerous as time

641
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:32,220
goes on in addition to that we have bio

642
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,620
weapons and this recent pandemic points

643
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,240
to what that can do

644
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,400
we also have the arrival of artificial

645
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:40,440
intelligence we're close to General

646
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,539
artificial intelligence and again with

647
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,520
our current level of Consciousness being

648
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,100
not very high the threats that that

649
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,080
poses to us again because we treat that

650
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,480
like a zero-sum game two we don't think

651
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,279
about what would be in the greatest good

652
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:54,840
for the greatest numbers of people

653
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:57,539
instead we compete with each other we

654
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:01,020
race to this conclusion and because of

655
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,179
the current center of gravity in terms

656
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,880
of collective Consciousness we Face the

657
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,919
possibility that AI will get out of

658
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,559
control that we will seed our own demise

659
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,419
in this race

660
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,520
by the way that's also a message I've

661
00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:16,980
heard some people receive from some

662
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,320
contingents of the others something to

663
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,000
keep in mind and again I just want to

664
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,460
add in this one last piece that the

665
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,559
retrieval and attempted reverse

666
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,360
engineering of these craft themselves

667
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,240
also poses a kind of threat and what

668
00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:31,919
happens now is this becomes more and

669
00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:33,779
more public that's also a question to

670
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:35,700
think about how are all of these

671
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:37,620
different elements these points of

672
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:40,260
convergence if you will pointing to some

673
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:42,539
kind of culmination point and how is

674
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:43,799
that related to the fact that we're

675
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:45,779
seeing more and more interaction

676
00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:49,260
intervention of these others why are our

677
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:51,179
Naval groups seeing so much activity

678
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:53,940
when compared with history why are

679
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:55,740
people receiving so many telepathic

680
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,419
messages from different groups of these

681
00:27:01,789 --> 00:26:59,700
others this is what's in the public

682
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,799
discourse some people again are only

683
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,960
aware of some of these parts the nuts

684
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,520
and bolts people tend to only think

685
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,799
about one aspect of the data perhaps

686
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:09,600
experiencers only think about messages

687
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,360
you have to really I think consider all

688
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,360
all of this and ask questions about what

689
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,520
this might be pointing towards in terms

690
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,980
again of this culmination point where it

691
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,159
seems like everything is leading towards

692
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:25,679
one key event and of course that raises

693
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:28,020
the question is that key event that all

694
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:30,659
of these converging forces are leading

695
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,419
us towards the very event these others

696
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:35,760
are warning about telling us about how

697
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,559
will our Collective response to these

698
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:39,480
Revelations brought forward by gresh and

699
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:42,539
others change our trajectory as a

700
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,700
civilization or how will the lack of

701
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,460
response be ultimately what SEALs Our

702
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,380
Fate again as I've said on recent

703
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,600
podcasts we are aware of the questions

704
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:53,580
we are aware of the messages that have

705
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:55,260
been brought forward the question is

706
00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:57,419
what will we do with this and it's not

707
00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:00,059
just us within ufology now as more and

708
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,220
more of this becomes metabolized in the

709
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,559
mainstream we as a civilization will

710
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:06,900
have questions to answer and those

711
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,820
questions will be arising with this new

712
00:28:14,049 --> 00:28:11,520
data at the very time that we are facing

713
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,059
civilization ending potentially

714
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,440
challenges how will this all work

715
00:28:19,789 --> 00:28:18,600
together this I think is the key

716
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:19,799
question

717
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,260
but now let's get back to events as they

718
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,360
rolled out this week I want to reflect

719
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:26,580
again on tweets that I made as the days

720
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:27,960
went on

721
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:29,880
one of the things I said the next day

722
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,520
after the publication of this article by

723
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:35,640
Keane and Blumenthal was quote as hoped

724
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,980
for and expected a piece that started in

725
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,020
a relatively new and not widely read

726
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:42,659
publication is being picked up in much

727
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,440
more mainstream Publications unquote I

728
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,600
followed that up with another quote the

729
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:50,820
web of coverage continues to grow now

730
00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:55,200
Fox News NBC ABC CBS New York Times

731
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,440
Washington Post Politico Etc when are

732
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:00,179
you going to publish the civilization

733
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:03,059
changing news unquote and then of course

734
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:05,340
other papers internationally also picked

735
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:06,840
us up the guardian being one of the

736
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:09,179
first key ones to do so

737
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,860
but this brings me to something I

738
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,679
mentioned earlier what was the series of

739
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,600
events that led to this article being

740
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,720
published in a publication like the

741
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:20,700
debrief which while respected is

742
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:23,220
relatively small and new

743
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:24,899
the reason that happened is because

744
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:27,840
other major papers turned this article

745
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:29,640
down which again I think says something

746
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:32,279
about the nature of media and journalism

747
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,100
in America today the New York Times

748
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,679
passed on an early draft of this article

749
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,080
which again speaks to how differently

750
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,179
the New York Times and his editorial

751
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:44,580
board handles these kinds of pieces now

752
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:48,240
as opposed to 2017 when Blumenthal and

753
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,559
Kane published the groundbreaking

754
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,539
article that kicked this all off the

755
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,299
modern the most modern UFO era you could

756
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,640
suggest again there's been a turnover of

757
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:59,279
some of the editorial members since that

758
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,260
time and clearly they are not nearly as

759
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,299
open to publishing these kinds of pieces

760
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:05,039
as they used to be

761
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:08,100
The Washington Post also had a chance to

762
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:09,539
publish this in fact they were one of

763
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,159
the last ones that was considering doing

764
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:13,200
so but they were trying to get

765
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,720
confirmation from official members of

766
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,820
Congress and whatnot to try to

767
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,679
corroborate some of this and because

768
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:21,840
that was delaying things and taking much

769
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,779
longer than Kane and Blumenthal were

770
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,580
comfortable with they eventually went

771
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,520
with the debrief Politico and the hill

772
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:32,159
were another two outlets that turned

773
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:34,260
this down along the way

774
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,419
so again they try to get this published

775
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:38,880
in the most well-recognized Publications

776
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:42,179
and Outlets but ran into problems in

777
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,179
doing so ultimately as Kane has pointed

778
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:47,520
out since then part of the reasoning for

779
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:49,260
going ahead and Publishing when they did

780
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:51,179
rather than waiting for the Washington

781
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:55,260
Post to perhaps finish their vetting and

782
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,059
whatnot and their confirmation their

783
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,980
additional sourcing

784
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:00,960
what was determined was that grush

785
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:02,760
himself was potentially in danger

786
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,500
because his name had been leaked online

787
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:06,960
he was already receiving threats again

788
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:09,659
whistleblowers are taking a huge risk

789
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,299
even one as calculating and as

790
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,120
intelligent as Rush he recognizes he was

791
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,179
in danger not just politically not just

792
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,399
professionally but also in terms of

793
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,039
danger to his very life we know what

794
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:24,720
secret keepers have done historically

795
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,419
allegedly including ending people's

796
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,559
lives who tried to bring this

797
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:31,200
information forward certainly he could

798
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:33,419
have been in danger and Kane and

799
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,159
Blumenthal didn't want to take that risk

800
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,200
so that's why they decided to go ahead

801
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,720
with the debrief when they did

802
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,480
now earlier on I pointed out that one of

803
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:43,919
the reasons Crush came forward is

804
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:46,620
because he recognized that Arrow the

805
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:48,360
body that was created to try to look

806
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,240
into this didn't really have sufficient

807
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,000
access to actually do their job

808
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:55,679
but there's something more than that

809
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,480
that kind of comes up here that we

810
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,700
should consider and it's quite troubling

811
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,679
really it has to do with the fact that

812
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:04,140
not only perhaps does Arrow not have

813
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:07,080
sufficient access to the kinds of

814
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,580
information that would allow them to

815
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,140
answer the questions they're supposed to

816
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,260
be investigating but in addition is it

817
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:15,539
possible that Arrow has been set up with

818
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,299
the intention to never come to the real

819
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:20,700
truth here again we have people like

820
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,460
Moultrie who've appointed Kirkpatrick

821
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:25,500
and we have previous whistleblowers like

822
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:28,740
Luis Elizondo who resigned in protest

823
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:31,020
from his position because he recognized

824
00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:32,760
there wasn't really this commitment to

825
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:34,820
truth and bringing this to the public

826
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,380
Elizondo has said that Moultrie was one

827
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,480
of the people that was actually a

828
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:41,820
roadblock in the process historically

829
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,100
that was his experience so again we have

830
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:47,159
to ask questions when he's in charge in

831
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,799
putting Kirkpatrick in his position and

832
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:51,299
even then there's been questions raised

833
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,159
around whether Kirkpatrick even has the

834
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:55,260
kind of clearances that would allow him

835
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,820
to really get to the relevant

836
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:00,000
information and then furthermore we have

837
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:03,779
news recently that Arrow also paid for

838
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,659
perception management quote unquote to

839
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:08,820
an outside private company now this

840
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:11,399
raises questions to which I asked on

841
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,220
social media quote why is Arrow which is

842
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:16,799
supposed to be about impartial objective

843
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,080
methodical science-based investigation

844
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,899
with a supposed commitment to public

845
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,720
transparency spending Millions for

846
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:27,600
perception management unquote

847
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:29,220
now again there are some who would say

848
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,600
this just goes with the territory

849
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:32,640
whenever you have a agency like this

850
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,260
who's investigating these kinds of

851
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,539
things perception management is just

852
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,580
part of the task otherwise you will have

853
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,740
chaos but in light of some of these

854
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:42,240
other Revelations and these other

855
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,279
questions or at least being posed and

856
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:46,919
the history that we're aware of here at

857
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:50,279
the very least begs certain questions

858
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,159
now since the original article came out

859
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,679
last Monday you may have noticed that

860
00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:58,500
Leslie Kane in various interviews has

861
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:00,419
sort of distanced herself from these

862
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,299
questions or these concerns or these

863
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,580
statements made about bodies recovered

864
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,280
and in clips from the interview with

865
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:10,560
Ross cultart it's clear that grush makes

866
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,980
clear that yes indeed recovered bodies

867
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,800
of non-human origin have been part of

868
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:18,960
this Enterprise he points out that when

869
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,540
you recovered crashed vehicles you quite

870
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:24,060
often recover dead Pilots that's

871
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,220
basically the claim here this will be

872
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:28,320
talked about more in the interview that

873
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:30,060
will happen on Sunday between Ross

874
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,220
kulthart and David garage

875
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:34,800
but the reason Leslie Kane is distancing

876
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,260
herself from those aspects is number one

877
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:38,639
because it was not part of the original

878
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,619
article so that's a truthful statement

879
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:42,899
but I would also suggest to you it's

880
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,659
because Kane is calculating what will

881
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,240
actually be palatable to the public and

882
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,119
what will not be so we go from lights in

883
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,040
the sky to the idea of them being

884
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:55,320
technologically advanced sophisticated

885
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:58,140
craft of some sort and then once we get

886
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,940
past the idea that perhaps it's the

887
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,920
Chinese or the Russians who just

888
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,839
leapfrogged us in terms of technological

889
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:05,940
advancement we get to the possibility

890
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:08,760
that these are not conventionally human

891
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,700
whatsoever which of course gets us to

892
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,160
the doorway of the question around okay

893
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,800
if these are not of human origin then

894
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,440
who exactly is operating these vehicles

895
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,260
but the reason why I think Kane is

896
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,300
careful to distance herself from that

897
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,040
claim at this point

898
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,800
relates to a tweet that I also published

899
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,040
last week and it goes as follows quote

900
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,079
part of the trickiness of rolling out

901
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,440
details uncovered by David grush include

902
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,599
calculating the difference between the

903
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,480
full extent of the revelations and what

904
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,119
the American public and mainstream media

905
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,300
can metabolize at any given time

906
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:50,760
these two are not at all always in

907
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,460
alignment and to be clear the end goal

908
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,500
is to make this story go fully viral

909
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,320
Catching Fire amongst the mainstream so

910
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:01,140
as to make its momentum Unstoppable and

911
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:02,520
irreversible

912
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,640
unquote now following this initial Tweet

913
00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,400
someone responded to me saying sometimes

914
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,619
the responsibility to the truth is more

915
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,599
important than predicting the effect it

916
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:14,640
will have on others

917
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:16,859
true but then I followed up with this

918
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:19,859
quote to be clear I'm not even saying

919
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:22,500
this is about that I'm saying the story

920
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:24,780
can die prematurely if it isn't

921
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:27,480
digestible to various Gatekeepers along

922
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,700
the way that's the tricky game that's

923
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,400
being strategized as we speak in terms

924
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:34,980
of what is and what isn't included

925
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:36,359
unquote

926
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:38,520
and this speaks basically to the strange

927
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:41,400
situation we find ourselves in it's not

928
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:44,700
truth that ultimately wins out here it's

929
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,700
what's digestible by the masses it can

930
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,400
be true but if it's a bridge too far it

931
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:53,160
will die on the vine as they say so

932
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:55,140
there's a calculation being made here by

933
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,220
the people trying to bring this

934
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:58,320
information forward that it's done in

935
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:00,780
such a way that it grounds itself it's

936
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,940
metabolized by the public by the

937
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:05,520
mainstream to enough of a degree that

938
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,500
further Revelations can take it further

939
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,599
but there's this recognition that it has

940
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:11,640
to be done in a certain way for this

941
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,099
really to have the reach and the impact

942
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:16,800
that it potentially has

943
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,619
now again when we speak about what's

944
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:21,599
actually palatable to the masses versus

945
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,599
what is really in the mix here to those

946
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:26,160
of us intimately familiar with this

947
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:27,119
topic

948
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,980
you can quickly see that all that's

949
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,839
really being talked about in the

950
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,480
mainstream is is this human or is it

951
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:36,240
extraterrestrial now interestingly grush

952
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,800
has actually brought forth other

953
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,780
possibilities he didn't just leave it to

954
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,640
those two he said it could be something

955
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,220
else he pointed to his background as a

956
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,839
physicist and the possibility of other

957
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,180
dimensions so he's speaking there to the

958
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,940
interdimensional kind of possibility as

959
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,079
well

960
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:54,480
but this again speaks to where we're at

961
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:56,520
in the public conversation I just want

962
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:58,920
to remind us all that some of the things

963
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:01,079
that took us years to come to some of

964
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,900
the Notions that we came to only by a

965
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:06,480
step-by-step process that process is

966
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:08,280
just beginning in fact we're not even

967
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,780
clear yet that it's been fully

968
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,000
metabolized to the point where this will

969
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,579
be a thing this will be an aspect of

970
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:16,560
public knowledge moving forward that's

971
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:19,260
been clearly acknowledged and is being

972
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,820
acted upon in terms of further

973
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,220
investigation and further contemplation

974
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:25,200
of the implications

975
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:27,000
but this speaks to another tweet that I

976
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:29,220
made this week as these things continue

977
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,020
to roll out and as more and more

978
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,119
networks and papers around the world

979
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,520
began to pick up on the story

980
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:37,920
I said quote when it comes to the

981
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,200
metabolizing of these Revelations by the

982
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:42,960
mainstream one of if not the most

983
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,240
challenging aspects will be that as

984
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,520
valet and heinek determined decades ago

985
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,400
the eth that is the Extraterrestrial

986
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:53,760
hypothesis is likely far too simple an

987
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:56,460
explanation for the complexity of the

988
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:59,700
data at hand unquote

989
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:01,380
now I'd like to comment here that some

990
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,180
people followed up this tweet by saying

991
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,280
things like yes indeed the

992
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:07,380
Extraterrestrial hypothesis might only

993
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:10,260
account for one aspect of the phenomenon

994
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:12,660
there may be other origin sources in the

995
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,859
mix as well

996
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:16,260
and that's certainly true but I'd also

997
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,940
like to point out what I think filet and

998
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:19,980
heinek were really getting at here it's

999
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,380
not just that it's incomplete in terms

1000
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,240
of there could be other origin sources

1001
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:26,160
as well but they were actually pointing

1002
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,200
to the fact that our understanding of

1003
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:30,480
space-time is so insufficient perhaps

1004
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:33,060
even woefully misguided to the point

1005
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:35,339
where these are not really space aliens

1006
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:37,859
at all or if they are that's only one

1007
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:40,500
small aspect of it based on a notion of

1008
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:42,780
space-time as a foundational model of

1009
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,660
reality that is frankly just basically

1010
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:47,700
barking up the wrong tree again we have

1011
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:50,220
physicists these days like Nema arkani

1012
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,260
Hamed saying this is what we already

1013
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,060
know space-time is not foundational

1014
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,579
there are deeper structures the math is

1015
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:58,740
already telling us this so again we have

1016
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:01,500
alignment here between modern physics

1017
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,260
and scientific Revelations and what we

1018
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,720
see evidenced in this historical data

1019
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,400
but again this is something that the

1020
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:10,800
public is just beginning to reckon with

1021
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:13,560
and the point is if we try to push too

1022
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:16,680
much too soon it may die on the vine

1023
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,320
before it's really grounded into our

1024
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:21,660
society in such a way that we can be

1025
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,540
sure of further investigation

1026
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:27,000
now speaking to this notion of other

1027
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,400
hypotheses that perhaps are more apt

1028
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,160
than the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

1029
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,040
one of course involves Michael Master's

1030
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:37,440
notion of them being extra tempestules

1031
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,140
that is beings that are from the future

1032
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,119
as we understand it and not only beings

1033
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,119
from the future but beings who are our

1034
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,540
direct descendants now again this is key

1035
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:49,920
here and this relates to something I

1036
00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:52,200
said earlier first of all I want to

1037
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,820
point out that this has been rumored for

1038
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:56,579
some time this DNA link even the

1039
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,020
possibility as I've said on recent

1040
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,240
podcasts that the bodies recovered at

1041
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,000
Roswell and other places were shockingly

1042
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:04,920
found to have some sort of genetic

1043
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,320
connection to us that raises additional

1044
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:09,720
questions around what is the nature of

1045
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:11,099
that connection

1046
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:13,079
but let's take for a second the notion

1047
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,000
that they can move through time and they

1048
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,040
are somehow related to us and perhaps

1049
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,680
even somehow connected to the Earth

1050
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,500
directly in terms of their ancestry and

1051
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,140
their ultimate origin even if in the

1052
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:26,880
future in their further sophistication

1053
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,240
they've explored the cosmos but are they

1054
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:32,880
really extraterrestrial in that sense is

1055
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:34,260
that the best way to describe them

1056
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,420
probably not

1057
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:38,460
nevertheless this raises other

1058
00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:40,140
interesting questions and possibilities

1059
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:42,440
even when we think about historically

1060
00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:45,240
controversial Notions like my labs that

1061
00:41:50,089 --> 00:41:48,540
is military alien involvement now part

1062
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,099
of the challenge here is that it's very

1063
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:52,260
difficult to find evidence of this kind

1064
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,800
of cooperation between U.S military for

1065
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,420
instance and alien group some would

1066
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,099
argue that there isn't enough evidence

1067
00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:01,380
to substantiate people's claims of

1068
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,720
coming into contact with these kinds of

1069
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,579
Arrangements where they see both what

1070
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:07,440
seem to be Earth humans as well as

1071
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,140
aliens but again if we bring time into

1072
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:12,720
the mix and if the human genome changes

1073
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,900
over time is played with spliced with

1074
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:18,480
other different kinds of beings perhaps

1075
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:20,099
even from the Earth again we think about

1076
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:23,099
the mantids and the Grays and these kind

1077
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:25,320
of insectoid forms that also we see

1078
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:26,820
present on the Earth

1079
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:29,099
then perhaps the time piece begins to

1080
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:31,079
make sense of a lot of this and of

1081
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:32,460
course this is what I've been talking a

1082
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,920
lot about recently I don't want to LEAP

1083
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:36,720
to the conclusion I don't want to land

1084
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,300
at the conclusion that these are us from

1085
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:41,579
the future of full stop but I think

1086
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:43,140
there is evidence that they're somehow

1087
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:44,820
connected to us which raises questions

1088
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:46,500
about their origin and their connection

1089
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,820
to Earth

1090
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,160
and it also I think speaks to how we

1091
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,839
don't really understand space time we

1092
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,760
already know this but again what we see

1093
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,680
with them is an ability to move through

1094
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,560
time seemingly effortlessly I also want

1095
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,000
to point out earlier we talked about

1096
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,640
experiencers experiencers are very often

1097
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,339
told that they are us and we are them

1098
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,800
these are direct quotes basically and

1099
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:09,240
they also mentioned being so far from

1100
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:11,099
the future that we wouldn't even really

1101
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:12,900
understand it and when you think about

1102
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,720
that you also recognize that as time

1103
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:17,280
goes on and we understand more and more

1104
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:20,220
of reality our models of reality evolve

1105
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,839
and sometimes completely reinvent

1106
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:24,240
themselves with new data then it's not

1107
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:25,859
surprising that their understanding

1108
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:28,440
would be so far above ours even if they

1109
00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:30,060
were ultimately connected to us and

1110
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:32,339
perhaps our descendants that it would be

1111
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,300
something that we couldn't really

1112
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:35,040
grapple with and fully understand yet

1113
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:37,079
because we're just working at such a

1114
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:38,940
primitive understanding compared to

1115
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:41,220
where they are and of course perhaps

1116
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:44,099
more importantly when they are relative

1117
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:45,780
to us

1118
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,300
now speaking of when they are relative

1119
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,640
to us and how they got here

1120
00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:52,680
I just want to raise something else that

1121
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,900
is potentially concerning something else

1122
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:56,460
that relates to messages some

1123
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,680
experiencers have received from a

1124
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:01,140
contingent of these others and it has to

1125
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,480
do with these vehicles the nature of

1126
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,640
these vehicles and what they're capable

1127
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:08,220
of doing again according to what we just

1128
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,480
discussed with them being extra

1129
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,760
tempestules potentially

1130
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,160
there's the issue of course of them

1131
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,020
traveling through time that these are

1132
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:18,960
time travel Vehicles not just vehicles

1133
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,540
that allow us to move through space and

1134
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:23,460
so part of the messaging has revolved

1135
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:24,839
around the fact that these are very

1136
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,060
dangerous Vehicles when you don't know

1137
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:29,160
what you're doing that both the past

1138
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,560
present and future as we perceive and

1139
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:33,900
understand them and experience them can

1140
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:36,780
be directly impacted if these vehicles

1141
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,480
are used incorrectly and again I want to

1142
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,640
remind you of the fact that as different

1143
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,339
nation states rush to understand these

1144
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,859
things first how careful are we being

1145
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:49,680
and what might we be creating in terms

1146
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,140
of a consequence an implication that

1147
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,839
could affect all of us in that race for

1148
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,359
technological advancement still based

1149
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,119
around a zero-sum game of nation states

1150
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,359
competing with each other

1151
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:05,700
now as we draw to a close for this

1152
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:07,859
week's episode I'd like to point out a

1153
00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:09,180
few things that I think we should be

1154
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,359
aware of one has to do with us becoming

1155
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,520
accustomed to the kinds of conversations

1156
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,040
that are had in the public that will

1157
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,619
feel painfully slow and first level to

1158
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,839
those of us intimately familiar with

1159
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:23,040
this topic

1160
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,020
and this relates to something I tweeted

1161
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:28,800
just today I said quote making some

1162
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,140
sense of the peculiarities around the

1163
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:33,900
UFO phenomenon involve a multi-step

1164
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,020
process one has to metabolize landing at

1165
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:40,079
level one before inevitably becoming

1166
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,280
aware of level two and on it goes binary

1167
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,160
thinking is the Doom of progress here

1168
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,380
a challenge that will arise for many of

1169
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:51,839
us in ufology is that as these

1170
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:53,720
Revelations spread into the mainstream

1171
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,940
various new quote-unquote experts will

1172
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,280
emerge jumping straight to Binary

1173
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,619
thinking or quickly landing at level one

1174
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:04,079
of the multi-step process I just

1175
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,359
referenced and then confidently

1176
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,240
declaring the matter done all that is to

1177
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:12,119
say be ready for a long ride it only

1178
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,819
gets more complex from here as this

1179
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,740
serum spreads further into the body

1180
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:18,720
public unquote

1181
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,720
now that tweet was in reference to how

1182
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:24,720
much the public has to evolve to really

1183
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:27,480
begin to Grapple with this topic but I

1184
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:28,980
would point out that even those of us

1185
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,380
within the conversation within ufology

1186
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,200
as it's called still are not grappling

1187
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:36,960
with the full scope of what this points

1188
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,800
to

1189
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,359
and so I leave you with this final

1190
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,460
concluding thought

1191
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,200
when it comes to debating different

1192
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:45,540
hypotheses to explain the Enigma

1193
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:47,880
colloquially referred to as the UFO

1194
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:50,640
phenomenon it's apparent that many even

1195
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,339
within the ufological community are not

1196
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:56,160
yet seeing just How Deep The Rabbit Hole

1197
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,859
goes the issue is not really about what

1198
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,660
percentage of apparently non-human

1199
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:02,640
beings are extraterrestrial versus

1200
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,300
interdimensional Etc but rather just how

1201
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,880
incomplete or even woefully misguided is

1202
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,800
our very understanding of reality

1203
00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:12,720
altogether

1204
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,060
it's from our fundamental understanding

1205
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,040
of all that is that we generate

1206
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:19,920
hypotheses to begin with and I contend

1207
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,560
that the update we need to undergo will

1208
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:24,480
have to happen on that foundational

1209
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,180
level that that will need to happen

1210
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,400
before we can move on to step two

1211
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:31,680
generating meaningful and testable

1212
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,300
hypotheses

1213
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:35,579
to that end I would suggest you that we

1214
00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:38,220
must be ready and willing to unlearn or

1215
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,040
at the very least fundamentally

1216
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,599
recontextualize much of what we've long

1217
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,119
assumed to be what I've called the myth

1218
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:48,000
of close to Pinnacle knowledge rooted in

1219
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:49,740
the Arrogant belief that we're close to

1220
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,980
understanding all that is long before we

1221
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,020
can really arrive at anything close to

1222
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:57,119
what one might consider sufficient

1223
00:48:02,510 --> 00:47:59,220
understanding from which to make sense

1224
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,520
of the dizzying array of complexity the

1225
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,119
UFO phenomenon and general paranormality

1226
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,440
presents to us

1227
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,680
without doubt we are in a new era and

1228
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:13,140
what a time to be alive but let's not

1229
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:14,700
make the mistake so many of our

1230
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,220
ancestors have made assuming that this

1231
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,440
new dawn represents the summit of

1232
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:20,640
understanding

1233
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:23,579
what it represents is a new Plateau with

1234
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,220
exciting virgin terrain to be explored

1235
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,920
and mapped but let us remember that that

1236
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:31,920
exploration itself will lead inevitably

1237
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,980
to our next level of understanding and

1238
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,440
potentially to our next stage of

1239
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:39,300
collective consciousness

1240
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:43,920
and so it is and may it be so

1241
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,380
and on that note we've come to the close

1242
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:48,480
of another edition of the point of

1243
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,760
convergence podcast if you'd like to

1244
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:52,800
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1245
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:57,000
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1246
00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:59,220
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1247
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:01,380
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